Playboy and the Virgin Mary?
CNN and others have reported on the “offense” generated by the Mexican edition of Playboy.
Sanchez: We do. It’s right here. This is from the publisher of the magazine, Raul Sayrols. He says, “The image is not and never was intended to portray the Virgin of Guadalupe,” — which is the Virgin Mary — “The intent was to portray a renaissance-like mood on the cover.” Interesting. Let me bring in somebody for whom this hits home. He’s one of the best known priests in the United States. His name is Father Cutie. I worked with him in Miami many times, has his own show — actually he’s got his own book out now. It’s called “Real Life, Real Love.” Bestseller, by the way. Father, are we as Catholics just too sensitive when it comes to this kind — after all, it’s a beautiful woman being shown to represent what is, in our minds, to all of us, a beautiful woman.
Father Albert Cutie: Listen, there’s no doubt that she’s a beautiful woman. But a stained-glass window and the veil that looks like that, certainly there’s a reference to Mary. Whoever tells you there isn’t is simply being hypocritical or not very honest. And that’s what I don’t like about the statement from Playboy magazine. I think that they timed it not only with the Virgin of Guadalupe, as Glenda was saying, but also with the month of December. How many nativity scenes are out there this time of the year? How many times is Mary a central figure in this whole celebration? And this is offensive. This is very offensive. It’s blasphemous.
Puhlease.
You read in this interview about all sorts of intentions and indications and meanings. Folks, gimme a break. Of course this sells magazines. Of course this is “offensive”.
Really, though, We’re asking Playboy to apologize for this and not other images?
What really are we objecting to?
What’s offensive?
And why this depection versus the Ivy League’s Hottest or heffner’s twins.
Or why isn’t the continued struggles (for various sexual issues) of the Catholic church constantly objected to?
These are rhetorical questions of course.
The Catholic image does more to sell sex than any other image, certainly online. Think Britney Spears.
Sometimes when you reinforce something as a punishment (sex is bad) so long it becomes an reinforcer for other things (attention for breaking protocol). The more you issue the punishment the more you reinforce the other behavior.
Sometimes the best approach is no reinforcement at all.
Social Mode 
Duh, I got it the first time! Catch up time 1,2,3….
Let’s cut through the BS and say that Pornography is not bad for you but it can be bad for someone else, if you twist what you read & see into your everyday life and go out melon picking and you don’t have a permit…permission of the owner of the melons.
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Offensive? The Virgin Mary is like more revered than Madonna the Un-Virgin. That’s why more people see her image in things than Madonna None-the-wiser or Britney Spearmint.
Dude, you got to listen to the people. Get down on your knees right now and thank God for something, even it is for the McDonald’s Thrifty Burger you had for a Mid-Day snack. Thank the Lord for the Night time…Thank you. Thank you!
yo- this is kinda raunchy yeah?
I can’t make sense of either of your comments.
explain what you mean.
elmilley,
what do you mean by “this” and “ranchy”? why ask it as a passive aggressive question? you mean to say it is raunchy. and by it, you mean the cover.
let me know.
I hope everyone who works for this magazine and those who purchase it will read this verse from the book of Psalms:”I hate the work of those who fall away” and from the book of Hebrews, ‘and inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgement” What you are doing with your lives is not worth it – you are walking after emptiness and becoming empty.
What would be less empty, Tim?
Is not chasing mythology and fulfillment of a different kind just as empty?
Why quote psalms and not other verses which apply more specifically?
There are so many quotes to misuse… try one of these:
First Corinthians 6:18 “Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. ”
First Corinthians 6:18-20 “What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you …? therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.”
Ephesians 5:5 “For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.”
1 Timothy 1:10 “For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine”
Hebrews 13:4 “Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.”
Revelation 21:8 “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Revelation 22:15 “For without are dog, and sorcerers, and
whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.”
Genesis 34:2 “And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, the prince of the land, SAW HER, he took her and lay with her by force.”
2 Samuel 11:2-5 “Now when evening came David arose from his bed and walked around on the roof of the king’s house, and from the roof he SAW A WOMAN BATHING; and the woman was very beautiful in appearance. So David sent and inquired about the woman. And one said, ‘Is this not … the wife of Uriah the Hittite?’ And David sent messengers and took her, and when she came to him, he lay with her… And the woman conceived; and she sent and told David, and said, ‘I am pregnant.'”
Matthew 5:28 “but I say to you, that everyone who LOOKS on a woman to LUST for her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Genesis 38:2-3 “And Judah SAW there a daughter of a certain Canaanite whose name was Shua; and he took her and went in to her. So she conceived and bore a son and he named him Er….”
Genesis 38:15-16 “When Judah SAW HER, he thought she was a harlot…. So he turned aside to her by the road, and said, ‘Here now, let me come in to you’; …And she said, ‘What will you give me, that you may come in to me?'”
Judges 16:1 “Now Samson went to Gaza and SAW a harlot there, and went in to her.”
Judges 14:2-3 “So he came back and told his father and mother, ‘I SAW a woman in Timnah, one of the daughters of the Philistines; now therefore, get her for me as a wife.’ Then his father and his mother said to him, ‘Is there no woman among the daughters of your relatives, or among all our people, that you go to take a wife from the uncircumcised Philistines?’ But Samson said to his father, ‘Get her for me, for SHE LOOKS GOOD TO ME.'”
un1crom Who told you it’s mythology?
Tim,
No one.
I was asking you. How do you define becoming empty?
I think the Catholic Church is upset because the cover dosen’t have a little naked boy on it.
un1crom, No one? Really? You came to this realization all by yourself? No help from books, media, friends, family? No one? Are you quite sure? In answer to your question I would refer you to the ruined waistband in Jeremiah 13.
Tim,
Thanks for the scripture reference. A strongly worded reference.
Of course I came to my realizations by way of media, books, friends, family, society, school, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and Methodist Church, investigations, successes, failures, breathing, eating… and my genes….
We are what we behave.
How came you to your realizations?
Phil,
You are crude and offensive – do you eat with that mouth of yours? Catholics are aware just like other religious groups that “tares” were sown with the wheat – God has promised to separate the wheat and chaff – let’s hope that all offenders in whatever part of our society are discovered and dealt with and that their victims recive any help they need to get through such nightmares.
un1crom, not sure, I watched and listend and asked questions – somewhere in the process the parable of the soils in Matthew 13 set in along with the intervention of the new testament book of 1 Corinthians 3:6-7.
Screw the Catholics! It’s a picture of a clothed woman – so what? Here is what blasphemy is – how many young boys have been molested and suffered at the hands of Catholic priests? How many people in the past 500 years is Catholicism responsible for killing and for what? Me thinks there are much bigger issues in our world to deal with today than to have one of the world’s “wealthiest” religions ranting about a picture. Papal infallibility is a crock. Get a life and do something worthwhile rather than judge others (i.e., it’s not your job nor is it your power to forgive). Get on with making the world a better place through meaningful actions and not a bunch of rhetoric. It’s no wonder we are where me are with this type of mentallity.
Oh – and one more aside for all you fanatics of the Virgin Mary. Just out of curiosity. I am a Christian but let’s test your knowledge. How many times is the Virgin Mother mentioned in the King James version of the Bible? How many times is the Virgin Mother (Maryam) mentioned in the Koran? Seems to me she was more revered by the Islamic religion, of which much negativity and hatred is directed, than the Christian doctrines. Why is this the case?
I’m not Catholic, nor am I a religious person. But this is really disgusting. Of course, the man pigs out there (and not ALL of them are) will buy it right up, and it will become a non issue because $$ is being made.
You are lost.
Isn’t censorship wonderful? Again – compare all you academics – how many references to the Virgin Mary are in the King James Bible contrasted to the Islamic Koran? As a Christian, I wonder why the Virgin Mother was more revered in the Islamic texts than Christian doctrines. Any explanation would be most appreciated?
Wow, Catholics take the cake! You insult your own religion with things like Santa Clause, Christmas Trees, presents under the tree, The Easter Bunny, Easter Eggs and Egg Hunts, Pray more to Mary (mother of Jesus) than you do to God himself. You create your own Saints when things get boring, created purgatory to raise money for the completion of what is the Vatican. Your Priests take a vow of poverty and abstanance as do the Nun’s, yet the Catholic Church has so much money, it has it’s own Country! And I won’t go into the whole Priest & Alter Boy thing. With all of the crap pulled by the Catholic Church over the past few decades, no, Centuries, you have the balls to say Playboy is “Blasphemous? If thats the case, then I say the Catholic Church is Blasphemous as well!
As for the cover of Playboy in question; I’ll go so far as to say it’s in very poor taste.
Now people, isn’t this Christian fundamentalism and against the free speech principle that is so blantantly used against Islam as a tool by the West (especially the Dutch)? There are apologies in those cases as well, I admit, but after the apologies, the world blames Muslims for being too conservative and fundamentalists. Isn’t this the same thing??? Double standards as usual!!!
Where do I start? What is happening is the the breakdown of the stereotypes of the religion…. some are more serene than others but the whole of it is, these are iconic and one person sees the virgin mary…. an interesting tale… and others see a contemplative women almost ready to get dressed or undressed.
10 years ago there would be no reference to another religion.
Playboy is circling the drain as a media outlet. Hef’s daughter has resigned or been nudged out… Redefining that mag is not going to happen anytime soon but the wingnuts out there are worried that a religion is being wronged???? by Playboy? Don’t you have some other stuff to worry about? Religious wars are the wars of choice… religious dogma is the hate that keeps on suppressing… religious economics is the economics of no division of church and state like the ‘heathens’ have in the Middle East…. religious superstition is what keeps the poor poor and the sick sick and the old scared that they haven’t prayed enough to take away their ulcer…. C’mon Man!
Go back to work….
Wow, I can’t imagine, how foolish the Playboy’s editor is!